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Discussion Post: Unlikeable Women (Characters)

04.12.2018 by Jen Ryland // 22 Comments

Thanks for bearing with me as I adjust to being back from my blogging break. And thanks SO much for your comments – they were what made me excited to return and talk books (and more) with you.

Now, to the topic of … what do you think of Unlikeable Women Characters?

Tell me what you think of Unlikeable Women Characters?

What makes a character unlikeable? Is it different depending on the character’s gender? How flawed does a character have to be to for me to call them unlikeable? Should I spell “unlikeable” with the “e” in the middle or without? (I like the extra “e,” but apparently “unlikable” is the preferred version.)

I’m focusing on female characters here, because I think they present more interesting examples – it seems to me that men get a lot more leeway to be jerks – on the page, on the screen, and in real life.

So … what got me thinking about this topic at the moment was a book and a show:

The show? Girlboss. I watched it on Netflix and … I liked it. It’s based on a memoir about a woman who’s flat broke in the early 2000s in San Francisco and starts reselling vintage clothes on eBay to pay her rent. (I love “making it in the big city” plots.)

I told a friend about it and she said that she heard it was not good. That the main character was so terrible and the reviews agreed.

Me: really? Okay, the main character shoplifts. (Which I do not condone. Although one reviewer accuses her of “stealing food” — out of a dumpster. Um, I don’t think that counts. Though she does also steal a book. And a rug.) She can definitely be incredibly self-centered in her personal relationships.  She’s also street-smart, creative, and very hard-working. In short, she’s flawed. But she (sometimes) owns her flaws, and by that measure I find her (mostly) sympathetic.

The unlikeable (to me) character was in If You Don’t Have Anything Nice to Say. Winter, the main character of the book makes a very offensive remark online. Her post goes viral and there’s all kinds of fallout, both virtual and in her real life.

Completely aside from her situation, I found Winter incredibly unlikeable as a character. She begins the book by saying what a terrible person she is, but that came off to me as very insincere – like that thin/pretty girl you know who’s always saying how fat/ugly she is and your job is to reassure her. Because it’s all about her. She and her family try to fix (buy her way out of) her situation in the weirdest ways. And just when she seemed to have learned from her mistake, she took a huge step backwards.

I realize that, as I describe them, these two characters sound not all that different. Both are narcissists whose behavior hurts others. Why did I find one character flawed yet sympathetic while intensely disliking the other?

I found Sophia’s character to be mostly likeable even in her narcissism (but maybe I was the only one, lol.) Winter’s stunningly privileged and self-absorbed first-person narrative didn’t give me much to work with as I tried, and failed, to like or root for her.

It’s hard for me to say exactly what makes a character cross the line for me from complicated/flawed to outright unlikeable.

I think for me what’s key to a character being relatable despite being unlikeable is their degree of self-awareness. I have much more patience for a flawed character who makes mistakes but owns up to them than a flawed character who refuses to acknowledge how her actions affect others.

Tell me your thoughts. What makes a character completely unlikeable for you? Are there unlikeable characters you still root for? Am I the only person who likes the “e” in unlikeable? And am I the only person who liked Girlboss?

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22 Comments
Joann
8 years ago

To me an unlikeable female character is someone who just doesn’t have anything going on with her-as in no personality, no sense of humor, nothing that you can relate to at all, which makes me DNF a book.

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Joann

I agree that relatability is key (I do think that is a word, even though my spell-check is disagreeing. What is it with spelling and this topic?) And I guess all of us would have different opinions on what makes a character relatable. Sense of humor gets a lot of points from me too!

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Michelle @ Pink Polka Dot Books
8 years ago

I like unlikables (I have no idea which way to spell this word!!!) usually. I like books with girls that are like THIS IS ME, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT!! To me, that is usually what society doesn’t like about women. When we are just like OH WELL, I DO WHAT I WANT. But sometimes there are characters in books that I don’t like even though I want to. Like if someone is super-self centered and dense, I just can’t. Or if there is a character that has to make everything about themselves even when whatever is going on had nothing to do with them.

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle @ Pink Polka Dot Books

I agree – and maybe that’s why the Girlboss character didn’t bother me. She acknowledges her own flaws and is kind of “take it or leave it” about them. And to me the IYDHANTS character made everything about her, which I couldn’t stand.

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Karen (@teamsheltie)
8 years ago

I’m fine with flawed, unlikeable characters because that’s real life – but – I do want them to be working towards something and grow as a person by the time the book ends.
And I’m not on board with cruel characters. A mistake is one thing, but being intentionally cruel – especially over and over again is a no go for me.
I know you’re talking specifically about female characters here but that applies to both m/f for me.
You’re right though, we hold female characters to a much different standard than male and we often want them to be multiple things at one time.

I have that book coming up for review. We’ll have to discuss and see if I feel the same.

Karen @ For What It’s Worth

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen (@teamsheltie)

It’s silly that women are always expected to be “nice” and “perfect” and I love characters who defy that. (And I don’t think men are expected to be either of those things). I do love characters who mess up, but I really want them to gain some sense of self-awareness about how their actions affect others.

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Sam@WLABB
8 years ago

The last character I found unlikable was one who exploited people’s emotions for her own benefit, and felt no remorse. She also experienced zero growth over the course of the book. I am ok with a character, who starts out flawed, but I want then to learn, grow, and change for the better.

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Sam@WLABB

Yes – those are all qualities I have a hard time with. I accept that some people (and characters) don’t change but then why am I reading about that? I don’t see the point!

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Joy // Joyousreads
8 years ago

I have been turned off by unlikable characters many a times. I end up dnf’ing them. Though, I must say that it’s not necessarily because the character is evil. Sometimes, their personality alone is a turn off.

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Joy // Joyousreads

Yeah, sometimes evil characters are fascinating! I

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Greg
8 years ago

I love reading about unlikable (I skipped the “e” but I like it too) female characters, and I agree- guys do get more leeway? Maybe? But anyway yeah within limits of course- there has to be something likable there I guess, but I don’t mind the “jerk” characters usually. 🙂 It depends on the story. I think you might be right- self awareness is key. I mean, if they’re TRYING to be a better person, or acknowledge their flaws, vs just being jerk unit all the time…

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Greg

I feel like we all should be trying haha – I get that it’s hard, though…

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Grace @ Rebel Mommy Book Blog
8 years ago

I don’t mind unlikable characters, women especially, They can be interesting. I just hate when ALL characters are unlikable or no one goes through any growth if that makes sense.

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace @ Rebel Mommy Book Blog

Ooh, great point. I also have an issue with books about a group of unlikeable people (books like that often tend to be about rich, obnoxious people). Give me someone to root for, PLEASE!

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Summer
8 years ago

I’m part way through Girlboss and loving it, I like that she’s flawed, that she would for instance, completely change a dress that meant so much to someone else made me cringe a little, but it also made her human, it’s human to not always do the nice right thing .

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Summer

Yay – I’m glad you love it. I think some of the more minor characters – the thrift shop guy, her neighbor, the security guard – are just so so so great. I’m sad that there won’t be a second season!

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Dena @ Batch of Books
8 years ago

I read Girlboss and watched the show. I think the difference between Sophia and Winter (haven’t read that book, so I’m just guessing here) is that Sophia had confidence. She wasn’t just mean. Yes, she’s self-centered, but who isn’t? And her self-centeredness allowed her to create a successful endeavor, not just trash other people online while someone else cleans up the mess.

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Jen Ryland
8 years ago
Reply to  Dena @ Batch of Books

Definitely agree that there’s a double standard when it comes to women and achievement. Men who are single-minded (aka self-centered) in pursuit of their goals are considered ambitious go-getters, while women with those qualities are considered pushy or narcissistic or not “nice”.
I’m really curious about the book – how different was it from the show???

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